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Elsa's avatar

About the shut-down from hundreds of tiny incidents - it makes such good sense. You have a school where you go day after day, You are an outsider. You learn: when I come into a group, I am an outsider. But it's a different group. Much learning.

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Elsa's avatar

I see that so many approaches come together. Everything to do with body memories stuck in the body, which I learned about decades ago, in connection with things done with Shiatsu, and it connects to all trauma work, and also obviously to anything relating to Parkinson's, very trauma related.

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Lilian Sjøberg's avatar

The irony is that there are 100s of ways to recover from an endless list of diagnoses if you know a little about the instincts that create stress. And stress create different symptoms (that doctors sort into diagnoses). The principles are simple, natural, and obvious when you close the door on the old model that keeps us stuck and fearful.

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KTonCapeCod's avatar

Almost every patient I see who has a frozen shoulder is going through some form of stress. It usually occurs in women in there 50s. I do believe hormones play s role. I recently had a 55 yo male with frozen shoulder who had it in his other shoulder. When I inquired, the last time he had it was when he was unhappy at his job. This time, same thing! We stopped PT knowing we were battling his mind, not his body. Dr. Sarno (paraphrasing) said it's easier to deal with physical pain than emotional. He wasn't kidding.

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Lilian Sjøberg's avatar

I have had a few professionals combine their knowledge with mine and get better results with their clients.

I have a lot to say regarding what you write :-)

Even wound healing is faster when you are not stressed :-)

So stressed clients of yours will have a longer recovery from e.g. sports injuries.

I am considering making a course for pros.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

Language doesn't change base thought, movement does!

From Iain McGilchrist book The Matter with Things

"The cognitive deficits that accompany motor diseases may be an inalienable consequence of the close connexion between action and thought. I alluded in Chapter 12 to the well-known Hebbian formula in neuroscience that ‘what fires together wires together’ – that is to say, repeated use of a particular neuronal pathway causes structural changes which further facilitate its future use. Since we now have evidence that neurodegeneration may spread along the reinforced synaptic connexions created by this process, Bak has coined the phrase ‘what wires together dies together’.156

It seems clear, however, that the key difference is not a grammatical one – nouns versus verbs, as such – but an experiential one – in as much as nouns tend to suggest objects, and verbs tend to suggest action. The brain’s connexions between thought and motion are mediated through imagined experience, not through linguistic rules"

How our movement brain also regulates "movement" of thoughts and feelings

"To Harvard neurologist Jeremy Schmahmann, it seemed possible that whatever the cerebellum did for motor control, it might also do for behaviours outside the motor domain.175 In the same way that the cerebellum regulates the rate, force, rhythm and accuracy of movements, it might regulate the speed, capacity, consistency and appropriateness of mental or cognitive processes. He called this the ‘dysmetria of thought’ hypothesis,"

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Lilian Sjøberg's avatar

Hi. Sorry. this answer is a bit complicated for me on my second language.

Feel free to tag @gary sharpe to get a clear answer.. we all do out best :-)

I do my best to describe what I see and hear.

The belwo might be nonsens connected to your words. Sorry if that is the case :-)

This is a conversation between the Movement Monk and me... We are more into practical healing than theoretical descriptions

It is easier to heal a person with parkinsons, than to decribe what is going on. I am not sure anyone can. So it is like with mobile phones, it is possible to operate them without being able to describe how they work.

We are just checking into the real healing of people. How we are ment to heal

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

@GARYSHARPE

Oh yeah, somatic experiencing has helped me in the past.

I was just posting that to confirm your therapy.

A simple summary of what I posted above:

The neuroscience is finally realizing that the motor center of the brain, the cerebellum, is also used in emotions and logic. With damage to that center, like in autism and schizophrenia, thoughts and feelings also get distorted!

This confirms why your program helps a lot with Parkinson's and other issues. 👍

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Lilian Sjøberg's avatar

Thanks

Do you have any links to articles, videos or the like. I would really like to post that. The more scientific persons need to see that science support it. Trust is difficult to earn. But science once said that the four humors: blood, phlegm, yellow bile, and black bile was the golden standard.

It probably killed a president to trust science ;-)

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/bloodletting-blisters-solving-medical-mystery-george-washingtons-death

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

It's from the book The Matter with Things by Iain McGilchrist, chapter 23.

He covers it here in his video channel. Chapter 23: Flow and movement

Around 54 minutes they speak about movement and mention Parkinson's among other disorders

https://youtu.be/rme5ZRf1xLo?t=3257

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Lilian Sjøberg's avatar

I have worked with a couple of people with Sclerosis MS.

It is the same. It is suggested that 90% of all diseses is stress from past and present.

So if you consider your MS as PTSD I hope it will make your life easier... because even it is difficult to return from PTSD, everyone consider it as a possibility.

Work with your trauma, one after one and you will slowly get free.

I am of course here to help if you cannot find local help. :-)

Maybe this test give some insights (paid)

https://hopeshortcut.com/stress-test-intro/stress-test-frontpage/

The only reason why I am working with most parkinson people is that it is easier for them to see that their symptoms are stress related due to their tremor.

As we are carving in new viewpoints on old believes, it is good to have people seeing the proof themself.

As the symptoms of MS, not always are varying, you must have more faith in the process to do trauma healing enough times to see results.

The symptoms overlap. From a search:

The following are some common symptoms typically shown in both conditions:

Depression

Numb or weak limbs

Shaky fingers, lips, and limbs

Poor balance

Uncontrollable spastic limb movements

Changes in cognitive functioning

Slurred speech that other people cannot easily understand

Loss of muscle control (often affects one side of the body at first before progressing to both sides)

Erectile dysfunction

Loss of bowel or bladder control

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