I think bodymemories can sit all over. I do not think it is only in mucles. I just think we have to give in to the few studies there is and see what scientist find out. A brain can contain these bodymemories. It could also be the fascial :-).
I set all thees thing open, so people can fill in themself. It is very fascinatinThe bare sight of a parents face or as you say a lack of reaction, learn us so much. We are trying to please our surroundings :-)
So it is not the brain storing and processing memories, it is the body. This reeks of duplication of function in order to crate a new platform for treatment. I am aware of no cells that duplicate the brain and, anyway, this would require space needed for body/brain signal transmission cells.
Does any other body function mimic this? I doubt it, and if anythng is readily apparent it is the efficiency and ecomomy of the body and brain within a compact entity.
The gut produces more neurotransmitters than the brain and via the vagus nerve communicates from the gut to the brain nine times more than the brain communicates to the gut.
So? That is entirely logical. Gut conditions and circumstances change constantly but not so the brain. So it makes absolute sense for neuotransmission to be generally a one-way street" stomach to brain.
Generally but not completely. And the brain does change. Neuroplasticity. I have experienced it in incredible amounts over the last 14 years working with healing a chronic condition.
The brain the gut and all other parts of the organism are in constant movement to restore and maintain homeostasis. All interdependent.
It is important to say that these concepts are not "woo-woo" or "alternative" but are frontiers of western science too. One of the most important books on this is the Heart of Trauma by Bonnie Badenoch, who delves very deep into the science of body memories, with 1000s of citations to the science (which she refers to as implicit memories).
Here are some relevant quotes from her book:
"When potentially traumatic experiences occur and then embed, the implicit aspects are wisely sequestered in the amygdala-centric circuitry and the body, awaiting arrival of the support needed to disconfirm and integrate them. In this way, the fullness of emotional and bodily distress is held away from conscious awareness much of the time, although still available to be touched and awakened later by internal and external events."
"This may leave people with implicit-only memories of highly stressful events, not only from early childhood but also from later traumatic experiences, which impairs the formation of a coherent autobiographical memory stream...."
"We are continually making implicit memories because they do not require conscious attention to be encoded. They stay with us as surges of feeling, behavioral impulses, bodily sensations, and perceptions that, when reawakened, color everything because implicit memories have the felt sense of happening now no matter how long ago they may have been encoded."
"Trauma is an embodied experience, touching all the neural pathways in our bodies: our muscles, the brains in our bellies and hearts, our autonomic nervous systems, our brainstems, our primary emotional-motivational systems, our limbic regions and neocortices, and reaching down to even finer systems at the level of our cells and genes."
"... many of these pathways are gathered into the neural nets of embodied implicit memory, the kind of remembering that is always experienced as happening right now, no matter how distant the original event."
Thirty years ago, I was teaching people how to manage fear, regardless of the cause... natural, as in a sensible fear of heights, or fear of falure or success. Sometimes the source was emotional or social trauma, and in others it was transmitted socially. It made no difference, I resolved latent feats, neurotic fears, whatever... it made no difference because one part of the brain deals with all. It is all a matter of restablishig bioelectronic tracking or neutralaising tracks.
For example, one young man had previously drowned and had a fear of water. In 40 minutes, I taught him to swim and then showed him how to leap off a cliff into the water, which neutralised his fear of heights too. Later, he told me it was like walking on air. He felt he was ten feet tall, and would never be defeated by fear again.
I treated hundreds of people how to manage fear and most wrote back to me saying it transformed their lives. On those missions, I taught seven people how to swim, but never the way it is taught by others, which I regard as absurd. One young woman was so afraid of water that standing up to her ankles in the lagoon had her trembling like a leaf. 20 Minutes later she was swimmimg breaststroke confidently across the lagoon.
What I did for these people would not be possible if Badenoch was correct.
Yes this is one way of dealing with fears. There are many :-)
Most people with parkinsons or other chronic diseases are not aware of their fears. So that is half the job to find them: A person eg have more tremors tuesday evening.
Why: he joined a choir. As he is from a family with high standards, they have a nonspoken rule: In this family we are better than the rest, and do not make mistakes.
This calls for a carefull observation: Am I better or worse than the rest?
A judgment if he is not, installing of his parents voices: "what an £%¤&# you are, not worth the family honor"
This demands a lot of effort and this pressure gives you tremor.
So, it is this sorts of traumas I solve... big and small
So encouraging Lilian! Wonderful work that offers hope. Makes sense with stress/freeze response being linked to Parkinson's. 🙏
I have no doubt. It is a nerdy job. But think of it as you should lose weight. You take one kilo/pound after the other.
One stressor/trauma after the other. You might have 10, 50 or 100. you just do the job and reduce one stressor after the other.
here a video with a persons reflections
https://youtu.be/CmI_pb2Jy_8
and her 3 good posts
https://hopeshortcut.com/2021/06/03/nicoles-reflections-after-1-therapy-session/
https://hopeshortcut.com/2021/09/07/nicoles-reflections-after-2-therapy-session/
https://hopeshortcut.com/2023/04/09/client-after-3-sessions/
"Muscle memory" - is not solely about muscles learning what to do, but also learning what not to do...
"To refrain from"...How does having ones fingers burnt (matches, hot stove) become memorised by the muscles ? How is an impulse curbed ?
Take an infant...It reaches out to the world (its mother); the world does not respond...
It continues to reach out and continues to meet nothing...It is learning the pointlessness
of reaching...So the impulse is curbed - by muscle memory ?
I think bodymemories can sit all over. I do not think it is only in mucles. I just think we have to give in to the few studies there is and see what scientist find out. A brain can contain these bodymemories. It could also be the fascial :-).
I set all thees thing open, so people can fill in themself. It is very fascinatinThe bare sight of a parents face or as you say a lack of reaction, learn us so much. We are trying to please our surroundings :-)
So it is not the brain storing and processing memories, it is the body. This reeks of duplication of function in order to crate a new platform for treatment. I am aware of no cells that duplicate the brain and, anyway, this would require space needed for body/brain signal transmission cells.
Does any other body function mimic this? I doubt it, and if anythng is readily apparent it is the efficiency and ecomomy of the body and brain within a compact entity.
The gut produces more neurotransmitters than the brain and via the vagus nerve communicates from the gut to the brain nine times more than the brain communicates to the gut.
So? That is entirely logical. Gut conditions and circumstances change constantly but not so the brain. So it makes absolute sense for neuotransmission to be generally a one-way street" stomach to brain.
Generally but not completely. And the brain does change. Neuroplasticity. I have experienced it in incredible amounts over the last 14 years working with healing a chronic condition.
The brain the gut and all other parts of the organism are in constant movement to restore and maintain homeostasis. All interdependent.
No argument from me on that.
The brain have the same possibility to store emotions. I think these memory cells are all over our body :-)
It is important to say that these concepts are not "woo-woo" or "alternative" but are frontiers of western science too. One of the most important books on this is the Heart of Trauma by Bonnie Badenoch, who delves very deep into the science of body memories, with 1000s of citations to the science (which she refers to as implicit memories).
Here are some relevant quotes from her book:
"When potentially traumatic experiences occur and then embed, the implicit aspects are wisely sequestered in the amygdala-centric circuitry and the body, awaiting arrival of the support needed to disconfirm and integrate them. In this way, the fullness of emotional and bodily distress is held away from conscious awareness much of the time, although still available to be touched and awakened later by internal and external events."
"This may leave people with implicit-only memories of highly stressful events, not only from early childhood but also from later traumatic experiences, which impairs the formation of a coherent autobiographical memory stream...."
"We are continually making implicit memories because they do not require conscious attention to be encoded. They stay with us as surges of feeling, behavioral impulses, bodily sensations, and perceptions that, when reawakened, color everything because implicit memories have the felt sense of happening now no matter how long ago they may have been encoded."
"Trauma is an embodied experience, touching all the neural pathways in our bodies: our muscles, the brains in our bellies and hearts, our autonomic nervous systems, our brainstems, our primary emotional-motivational systems, our limbic regions and neocortices, and reaching down to even finer systems at the level of our cells and genes."
"... many of these pathways are gathered into the neural nets of embodied implicit memory, the kind of remembering that is always experienced as happening right now, no matter how distant the original event."
Thirty years ago, I was teaching people how to manage fear, regardless of the cause... natural, as in a sensible fear of heights, or fear of falure or success. Sometimes the source was emotional or social trauma, and in others it was transmitted socially. It made no difference, I resolved latent feats, neurotic fears, whatever... it made no difference because one part of the brain deals with all. It is all a matter of restablishig bioelectronic tracking or neutralaising tracks.
For example, one young man had previously drowned and had a fear of water. In 40 minutes, I taught him to swim and then showed him how to leap off a cliff into the water, which neutralised his fear of heights too. Later, he told me it was like walking on air. He felt he was ten feet tall, and would never be defeated by fear again.
I treated hundreds of people how to manage fear and most wrote back to me saying it transformed their lives. On those missions, I taught seven people how to swim, but never the way it is taught by others, which I regard as absurd. One young woman was so afraid of water that standing up to her ankles in the lagoon had her trembling like a leaf. 20 Minutes later she was swimmimg breaststroke confidently across the lagoon.
What I did for these people would not be possible if Badenoch was correct.
Yes this is one way of dealing with fears. There are many :-)
Most people with parkinsons or other chronic diseases are not aware of their fears. So that is half the job to find them: A person eg have more tremors tuesday evening.
Why: he joined a choir. As he is from a family with high standards, they have a nonspoken rule: In this family we are better than the rest, and do not make mistakes.
This calls for a carefull observation: Am I better or worse than the rest?
A judgment if he is not, installing of his parents voices: "what an £%¤&# you are, not worth the family honor"
This demands a lot of effort and this pressure gives you tremor.
So, it is this sorts of traumas I solve... big and small